Advent Thoughts #2: Destruction

Posted by Mark on December 17, 2009
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destruction1From looking at Water as the first metaphor Peter employs to speak of cataclysmic return of Christ, we saw that the destruction of Noah’s day was not an annihilation, but we were left with a question: what sort of flood-destruction is coming on the Day of the Lord? Is it a complete annhilation, with the implication that the new creation is totally discontinuous from the present? Or is it some other kind of destruction, such that the coming new heavens and new earth retains a significant continuity? The second metaphor of Destruction sheds some light on these questions…

Now, the first thing to note is that Peter uses the word destruction (And ‘perish’, Greek: απωλεια, απωλλυμι) not to describe the fate of the earth, but to describe the fate of the ungodly (c.f., 2 Peter 2:1,3). The NIV version includes ‘destruction’ in verse 12, but that is better translated ‘dissolved’ as per the ESV (see also the next post: Fire). Thus, in 2 Peter 3, destruction is mainly concerned with those who reject Christ.

V7 “But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.”
v9: “but [God] is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.”
v16 “There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction.”

Now, on the surface it would seem that Peter is saying that unbelievers are utterly annihilated on the Day of the Lord. That they don’t experience an eternity of conscious punishment, but are simply destroyed. That the orthodox doctrine of hell is wrong because people simply cease to exist. And this is a view of hell which is growing in popularity in certain evangelical circles. And you can sort of understand why – after all, with a contemporary understanding of love, it’s hard to square with a God who is love. Annihilation is much more palatable when trying to correlate theological concepts to contemporary thought.

Yet, I’m not so sure that Peter teaches that destruction means obliteration unto non-existence. You see, to prove this you’d need, among other things, to maintain that Peter always uses the word destruction to mean completely annihilate. And here’s the thing: Peter uses the same aforementioned greek words to describe the destruction of the world from the flood, that he uses to describe the describe the destruction of the ungodly. Compare these verses:

v6: “the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.”
v7: “the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.”
v9: “not wishing that any should perish
v16: “which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction.”

destruction2Thus, if you wanted to say that the destruction of the ungodly must mean annihilation, then you’d need to say that the world was annihilated in Noah’s day – which is absurd. Or in other words: because the destruction of the flood was not a totally annihilation of being, neither will the destruction of the ungodly be total annihilation. It will be an everlasting and terrible time of torment.

So, to summarise: ‘destruction’ upon Christ’s return in the thought of 2 Peter 3 applies not to the present creation, but rather to the fate of the ungodly. This is important, because often this sort of language is imposed upon the Apostle’s letter to refer to the destruction of the present creation.

Further, destruction in the thought of the Apostle does not mean annihilation, but rather judgment and its consequences. The destruction of the ungodly and the destruction of Noah’s world are intimately linked such that it is absurd to insist upon an annhilation theory of hell taken from 2 Peter 3.

Now, what does this all mean for the continuity and discontinuity between this present creation and the next? I believe it may shed some light on the previous post’s question about the comparison between the water-judgment of Noah and the return-judgment of Christ.

destruction3Here’s the logic: if Peter doesn’t have annhilation in mind with his comparison between the destruction of the ungodly and the destruction of Noah’s world, it would seem a reasonable assertion that he does not have annhilation in mind in his comparsion between water-judgment of Noah and the return-judgment of Christ. Else, a continuity of being would apply to the reprobate, but also a complete discontinuity of being would apply to the present creation – which seems impossible. My point is that Peter’s Noah-based comparisons do not carry completely discontinuous notions of annhilation or obliteration. Without question, there is some level of discontinuity, but Peter’s comparisons carry a surprisingly strong level of continuity.

Granted, this is currently an assertion, but in the final post concerning the metaphor of Fire we shall see that this is the case. But for now, what is clear is that the coming of Christ is a terrifying reality. Judgment will be made on the ungodly and their destiny will be everlastingly awful. And in this light, I am overwhelmed with joy for the fact that in Christ’s first advent, He stood in my place condemned and suffered this for me. What a beautiful Saviour indeed!

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10 Comments to Advent Thoughts #2: Destruction

Sam
December 18, 2009

Thus, if you wanted to say that the destruction of the ungodly must mean annihilation, then you’d need to say that the world was annihilated in Noah’s day – which is absurd.

Unless you take your methodology — that Peter uses απωλεια, απωλλυμι consistently — to mean that ‘world’ in v. 6 relates to creation as a whole (people, animals, etc.) not just rocks. Which isn’t so unreasonable, given the mirroring of the creation account noted often in Genesis 6-9. Then Peter’s very consistently talking about people perishing — ‘annihilation of being’ — just as the ungodly in Noah’s time.

Not necessarily a position I subscribe to, but not without logical merit from the same passages.

Sam
December 18, 2009

Oops. Tags went haywire. If it’s unclear, the first paragraph was taken from the article, the rest is my response.

Mark
December 18, 2009

Hi Sam, thanks for the good thoughts. I take your point – the way I’m arguing, it’s a double-edged sword. And, I might add, a can of worms!

Now though, unless I’ve misread you, I’m not so sure about your logic. On the one hand, you seem to be saying world = “living creatures + non-living objects”, and on the other, world = “living creatures only”.

This runs the risk of importing ‘annhilation of being’ from world = ‘living creatures only’ up into world = ‘living creatures + non-living objects.’ As you put it, “creation as a whole” would only logically be annihilated if world was restricted to ‘living creatures only.’

This raises lots of other issues (here come the worms!) though I think… ;)

Mike Bull
December 19, 2009

Hi Mark

Good points, but Peter’s context is the first century. He did not write his letter in a literary vacuum. We don’t understand his allusions because we don’t take the Old Testament and its Edenic architecture seriously.

I have plenty of resources on this online if you are interested, beginning here:

“How to Read the New Testament”
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2009/07/27/how-to-read-the-new-testament/

and
“The End is Not Yet”:
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2009/12/17/the-end-is-not-yet/

and on Christ’s references to Noah, see “Envy and the Sons of God”:
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/wp/2009/12/11/envy-and-the-sons-of-god/

Cheers,
Mike

Mark
December 19, 2009

Hi Mike,

Thanks for dropping by! Your website is quite interesting, so much so, that I’ve added it to my RSS reader. Looking forward to more reads.

Now, concerning your point. Can you clarify your point a little bit for me (it’s been a long day on the cricket field!)? Do you mean that the Day of the Lord in 2 Peter 3 speaks about the end of the Old Covenant as per your post on “How to Read the New Testament”?

“The “coming of Christ” refers to the end of the Old Covenant. Note that it does not refer to the final judgment and resurrection but it does prefigure it. The references to the “revelation of the sons of God”, and James’ call to the rich to “weep and howl” refer to first century events and people. We can draw applications from them, of course, but when do you ever hear Christians speak this way?”

Is this what your comment is pointing to? Or are you implying something else with reference to the Edenic structure of the NT?

Oh, the main resource I’ve been using for my thinking (beyond the Scriptures!) has been Cornelius Venema’s Promise of the Future. I’ve found it to be an excellent discussion of eschatological things!

Mike Bull
December 19, 2009

Hi Mark

Thanks for the reply to a comment from a stranger.

Yes, basically I agree with the full preterists that the imminent passages are in fact imminent. The partials are all over the place on these. But the full preterists try to squash the “1000 year” gospel age into the first century.

Genesis lays down the pattern of Garden (Adam), Land (Cain), World (sons of God). We see this pattern in the Tabernacle and Temple.

So, Christ defeated death in the Garden and was resurrected. The apostles defeated it in the (mediatorial “Holy Place” Land) and were resurrected. And now it’s up to us to reach the world. This will also end in resurrection. Death will be defeated in all three “domains.”

I won’t be posting again until next year, but there’s plenty on there to read in the mean time. Feel free to ask any questions. If you are interested I can also send you my book.

There’s also some basic articles here:
http://www.bullartistry.com.au/lastdays.html

I’ll check out Venema.

Kind regards,
Mike

PS I hope you won today!

Mike Bull
December 19, 2009

Just read your conversion testimony. Awesome. Thanks

Mark
December 19, 2009

G’day Mike,

That’s fascinating – I’ve only had a little exposure to preterist views with some work I did on Mark 13′s Olivet Discourse. On the Genesis pattern, I’ve not thought about that previously at all, though it’s quite interesting. I will have a bit more of a read on your website, and might be interested in having a read of your book after that…

Not sure whether his thoughts tie into this (though as a good postmil, I’d assume there’d be points of contact), but I was quite impressed with Doug Wilson’s input during a discussion with Piper, Storms, and a PreMil fella). Is this Genesis pattern something he integrates also?

I suppose my last little thought would be that Peter is replying to a question about the 2nd coming of Christ, thus my framing of the exegesis…

That said, I’d be keen to learn more about where you’re coming from, so I’ll be blog-reading!

Glad you were encouraged with reading my testimony – makes me thankful just thinking about it!

Cheers brother & thanks for the sharpening,
Mark

PS – Sadly, we lost by 6 runs! A great game against a great bunch of guys though…

Sam
December 19, 2009

Mark,

Not quite. I think you can make a case that any understanding of ‘world’ that includes more than simply ‘land’ could be thought of as annihilation, at least with reference to the ungodly. The context of v. 6, regarding scoffers who talk about the history of God’s (apparent) inaction, seems to include humanity within the definition of ‘world’, if not referring to it exclusively.

That is, in Noah’s time everything that was not amongst the ‘elect’ (Noah’s immediate family, plus representative animals) was destroyed. The ‘world’ was destroyed (in a sense, of course). Cf. the parallelism in Gen 9.11: “I confirm My covenant with you that never again will all flesh be wiped out by the waters of a deluge; there will never again be a deluge to destroy the earth.”

My contention is that in Peter’s language, in his application of the Noah narrative to the fate of the ungodly, it is a reasonable move to equate ‘world = humanity’. At least not absurd.
(Of course with the same moves it’s possible to equate ‘world = everything’, as you’ve done.)

Mark
December 30, 2009

Sam,

Thanks for your reply – sorry I’ve been a little slow on the uptake. It’s that crazily busy time of the year. But I’m back on the blogwagon now!

There’s a bit more on this point I’ve been thinking about, but I think you’re right, that it’s not as cut and dry as I’ve previously suggested. The more I’ve thought about this, the more I’ve realised that I don’t think I can exhaustively determine the scope of what ‘world’ precisely is for Peter here (is it world = ‘cosmic order’, world = ‘all being’, world = non-annihilation of earth & annihilation of non-elect persons?). Sometimes when I use words that have more than one meaning, and sometimes I might not even realise one of those meanings until somebody else points it out! Words are funny things indeed.

In saying that however, I think it’s possible to infer from Peter’s other uses of ‘world’ what it could not be (exhaustively anyway). It would seem that Peter’s use of ‘world’ in 2 Peter as a whole book would make it less plausible that world = ‘non-elect’ human persons, at least as far as an exhaustive scope of the meaning attached to the word ‘world.’ Let’s try from the assertion that ‘world = ‘non-elect’ persons’ (I know it’s a bit clunky, and rests on the assumption that Peter uses the same word uniformly, but I think it helps):

Eg., 2 Peter 1:4 – “you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the non-elect persons because of sinful desires.”

And, 2 Peter 2:5 also – “…if he did not spare the ancient non-elect persons, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the non-elect persons of the ungodly…”

Also, 2 Peter 2:20 – “For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the non-elect persons through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ…”

I think that the only reasonable candidate for ‘non-elect’ persons would be 2 Peter 2:5a. But, read in light of 2:5b, I think we can fairly say that it is not what Peter has in mind.

So, where does this leave us (and my original post)? I think you’re right in that the meaning of ‘world’ includes more than simply land. But I think that in light of Peter’s use of the word ‘world’ in the whole letter, it’s very unlikely that the exhaustive scope of meaning for the word ‘world’ is ‘non-elect’ persons. Thus, it becomes more difficult to sustain an argument of annihilation from the inference between flood-destruction and christ-destruction.

Thanks for the sharpening brother – I’m moving on to more blogposts now, so I mightn’t put as much thought in my future replies on this one. But seriously, I really appreciate your thoughts – you’ve got a much sharper mind than me, so I’m certainly the greater beneficiary here ;)

Blessings,
Mark

PS – I had some thoughts on your Genesis reference the other day, but they’ve flown away on holidays!

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