CBE International Conference :: 12th June 2010 :: Graham Cole – The Trinity without Tiers

Posted by Mark on June 12, 2010
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Introduction. Using the Trinity for defining relationships if very common: social trinitarianism, hierarchical Trinitarianism outlined.

Texts that Perplex (The Hermeneutical Challenge). Our concern is a difference between rank or class (the Tiered Trinity). Outline of the Athanasian Creed (co-eternal and co-equal Persons). Different understandings of John 14:28 (Hilary vs. Creed of Sirmium, D.B. Knox, John Piper, etc). Cole respects complementarians who are consistent in their positions – even if he finally disagrees with them. Other key texts which will be discussed in this lecture are: 1 Cor. 3:21-23, 1 Cor. 11:3, 1 Cor. 15:20-28.

The Arian Solution. Historical overview of Arianism (4th AD). Arius invoked the ‘Twitter’ of his day – used drinking songs to communicate his ideas! But on this view (the subordination of the Son of God) you lose a real Trinity.

The Eternal Subordination Solution. Bruce Ware and Wayne Grudem hold this position. Notes that Ware is bolder than Grudem in holding this position. Ware ranks the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (1st, 2nd, 3rd). Ware holds to three wills in God and that authority, honour, and majesty are ranked also. Grudem doesn’t go as far – he doesn’t see the subordination reaching into society generally. GC notes that these authors are not Arians, but they see a hierarchy within the Trinity.

The Economic Subordination Solution. Whilst Charles Hodge (Old Princeton) held to Eternal Subordination, his commentaries on 1 Corthinthians teach an economic subordination. His Eternal Subordination is determined on other grounds. Millard Erickson wrote Who’s Tampering with the Trinity: An assessment of the Subordination debate. He asks – how how do you go about deciding on the issue when Godly Christians come up with different solutions? He concludes – these texts are not ontological statements, but economic (Messianic son).

Addressing the Challenging Texts. In Augustine’s De Trinitae, he tried to work out this economic subordination. Eg., John 11:35 – how does the Word weep in light of his Incarnation as divine and human? 1 Cor. 11:3 – as per Ambrosiastor and Didymus the Blind and others, GC interprets Incarnate actions as economically obedient acts. 1 Cor 15:20-28 – Regnum Christi becomes Regnum Dei at the eschaton. Communicatio Idiomatum is the key. What does it mean in Acts 20, when Luke speaks of the church purchased by the blood of God? Calvin and Hodge see this as language of accommodation because they refuse to read ‘upwards’ into the ontological Trinity (ME: my words in this last sentence).

Time for a Moratorium. Graham Cole calls for a Moratorium on doctrines detailing the inner life of the Trinity. McGrath echoes this, as does Gerald Bray. Also, Mike Bird has an article in the Trinity Journal which specifically calls for this Moratorium! Graham Cole notes that the Complementarian position is highly variegated. Soft Complementarians (Blomberg, Stott) allow for women to preach, but not be the ultimate (though, under Christ) head of a church. Harder complementarians are similar to those of his Brethren background. Graham Cole notes that one motivation for the moratorium on descriptions on the inner life of the Trinity is that the NT speaks a great deal about the imitation of Christ as the motivation (1 Cor. 11:1, 1 Peter 2:21, 1 John 2:5-6). Philippians 2 is a great point at hand.

To hold to an Eternal Subordination position is speculative, with little Scriptural support. It embraces some sort of principle from outside, not inside. Rahner’s rule does this. Barth had something like it. It fails in light of the Scriptural testimony. Eg., in Luke-Acts, the temporal changes in Spirit-Christology would lead to a eternal change in the authority-submission relation of Father-Son essentially. In other words, does Rahner’s rule allow for the Pneumatalogical change in the Incarnate Christ?

Graham’s main fear is that strong complementarians may just keep going in this direction and lose the integrity of the Trinity in the next generation.

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14 Comments to CBE International Conference :: 12th June 2010 :: Graham Cole – The Trinity without Tiers

Darren
June 12, 2010

Thanks for the sum, Mark! Looking forward to hearing about the rest of the conference.

One comment: A moratorium on further discussion of a key doctrinal loci? Really? And in the context of a lecture on that very topic — as if Cole could claim the last word on a subject hotly contested for hundreds of years? I don’t get it. If something is hotly disputed and even causing division, the last thing we should do is command the Christian world not to talk about it any more. This is the antithesis of responsible theological discourse.

Or perhaps there is a greater context to the call for a moratorium?

Mark
June 13, 2010

G’day Darren, happy to post up the content of these lectures!

Ah, perhaps I should clarify a bit. I just checked my unsorted notes and I think Graham was calling for a moratorium on using the Trinity as a model for our relationships. Thus, I think, his point about Imitatio Christi.

I think that’s a fair representation of his point. Perhaps if somebody else reads this who was there, they could clarify?

Cheers again for popping in Darren!
Blessings,
Mark

Andrew
June 13, 2010

Hi Mark,

I’m from Melbourne but didn’t really wish to go along – Thanks for blogging this and allowing us to hear what was taught. I’m interested how he addressed the 1 Cor 15:20-28 passage, since the last two verses of this section seem to me to completely destroy the egalitarian trinity argument.

Verse 27 & 28 seems to say clearly at the end of all things that the Son will “be subjected to”(ESV) or “subject to”(NIV) “him who put all things in subjection under him” (meaning as I understand it the Father)

How did Greame address this?

Rachel Lotherington
June 13, 2010

Thanks Mark,
While I do not hold the views of CBE, I have been to one of their conferences to better understand what they believe.
I was not able to go this year as it was too expensive, so it’s good to read a summary of the teaching.

Mandy
June 13, 2010

Mark, I think you’ve accurately captured what Graham was saying in your response to Darren.

The morotorium he called for is on using the trinity, and especially the relationships within the trinity, as the basis for discussing male/female relationships.

Andrew, not sure if this is what you are getting at, but Graham was very hesitant at any reading upwards from what we see in the economy of salvation into the eternal trinitarian relationships. He pushed strongly that Paul uses the language of Christ/Messiah and God not Son and Father as the basis for supporting that.

Darren
June 13, 2010

Thanks, Mark and Mandy, for the clarification.

I’ll be interested to read more from the conference!

Mark
June 14, 2010

@Andrew – thanks for your comment, and for your question. Graham did touch on that verse and spent a little bit of time there. It seemed as if he’d thought about it a great deal, yet could only spend a short bit of time on it during the lecture. I honestly, can’t add much more to what Mandy’s already said. Perhaps only that Graham draw the distinction between the reign of Christ (Regnum Christi) and the reign of God (Regnum Dei), then went on to discuss the communication of the idioms (Communicatio Idiomatum).

@Rachel, thanks for saying G’day! The conference has been really good – people from different positions and different parts of the world, and different denominations! Lots of food for thought. Glad these posts are of some benefit :)

@Mandy, thanks for chiming in! See ya tomorrow :)

a melbourne guy
June 14, 2010

Cole wants a moratorium? I can’t help but suspect that egalitarians want to stop talking about the Trinity because they’re realising that their teachings about this topic are unbiblical, unhistorical and simply false. The longer the debate goes on for, the deeper the hole into which they dig themselves. Shut it down now and no one emerges as a loser.

Or maybe I’m being too cynical…

Mark
June 14, 2010

G’day Melbourne guy!

Thanks for dropping by!
M.

Louisa
June 15, 2010

Mandy and I were chatting about the end of 1Cor 15:20-28, although on reflection GC didn’t speak about those last two verses. His point was that Paul doesn’t use the Father/Son terminology rather the God/Christ terminology and thus it’s all about the economy and not about the immanent Trinity. As Andrew points out if he’d kept working through to v27-28 then we do get to Son language, which would I think tend to undermine his argument… Someone else has pointed out (can’t remember which scholar) that Jesus tends to use more Father/Son language because that’s the relationship he’s in, Paul tends to use more God/Christ language because that reflects more closely the relationship he has to the Trinity… This might explain why Paul doesn’t use much Father/Son language, rather than him purely referring to God in the economy and not in his essence. Food for thought anyway…

Mark
June 16, 2010

Ah, that’s a good point! I didn’t remember him making that point about a distinction between F/S and G/C…

Even so, I think his point about the communication of the attributes still protects his argument. Ie., that we can attribute human things to the Person of the Son of God doesn’t imply that they *do* anything to the intra-trinitarian relationships of God in se. Ie., we could say that the Person of the Son of God sat on a well, but what does this mean for the eternal Son? Not much – but the communication of the attributes is a shorthand way of God’s accommodation to us. Or, that the Son of God died on the cross – this doesn’t imply that the 2nd Person of the Trinity actually ceased to exist, but again, it’s shorthand accommodation. I assume the communication of the attributes continues to function with the ascended Christ too (thus, Calvin’s doctrine of the Lord’s Supper).

All that said though, I went back and checked Doyle’s lecture notes (on those three axioms you mentioned). I’m going to have to mull over them, because I think they speak directly to this issue!

Nice hanging out with you on the w/e Louisa!
M.

Andrew Moody
June 17, 2010

Thanks so much for posting this summary, Mark. I was hoping to get to this but couldn’t so I appreciate it very much.

BTW – I’m interested in your reference to Dr Doyle’s work on this (re. Barth/Far Country) is this new and is it published somewhere?

Mark
June 17, 2010

G’day Andrew,

My pleasure mate – you would have found it fascinating. I’ve read your interaction with Kevin Giles, and I’m sure you both would have had a bit to chew the fat over!

Re: my reference to Doyle and Barth etc was a little convoluted and unhelpful. Let me clarify. The most interesting point for me in Cole’s lecture was his discussion of Rahner. He mentioned Barth, but hardly touched on him.

As distinct from what Rahner wants, Barth wants to go one direction (God as he is towards us). That’s Robert Doyle’s first of three maxims to maintain in moving from the economic submission of Christ to the inter-trinitarian relations. Robert wants to do this analogically, rather than univocally, and in such a way as not to render the Father-Son relation reversible.

Hope that clarifies a bit – I’ve taken the above points from Robert’s lectures @ Moore.

Blessings mate,
Mark

Andrew Moody
June 17, 2010

Yes that’s interesting.
Sounds good :-)
Thanks Mark.

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