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		<title>For Whom Did Christ Die? Three Views!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over at Michael Bird&#8217;s blog, he&#8217;s doing a three view interview about the atonement.  Ben Witherington III takes the Arminian line, Michael Jensen takes the Amyraldian line, and Paul Helm takes the Calvinist line. It&#8217;s an interesting few short posts.  Michael Jensen has a go at John Owen for his Calvinism (it would be interesting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over at <a href="http://euangelizomai.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Michael Bird&#8217;s blog</a>, he&#8217;s doing a three view interview about the atonement.  <strong><a href="http://www.benwitherington.com/" target="_blank">Ben Witherington III</a></strong> takes the <strong>Arminian</strong> line, <strong><a href="http://mpjensen.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Michael Jensen</a></strong> takes the <strong>Amyraldian</strong> line, and <strong><a href="http://paulhelmsdeep.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Paul Helm</a></strong> takes the <strong>Calvinist</strong> line.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting few short posts.  Michael Jensen has a go at John Owen for his Calvinism (it would be interesting to see what Carl Trueman or perhaps even John Webster thinks on this issue), Paul Helm brings up the pesky Trinitarian problem for those Amyraldians, and Ben Witherington focuses on the love of God.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that each person takes their position to be <em>the biblical position</em>! So, interestingly enough the texts of Scripture can be used to argue each position.  Perhaps another question worth asking is, which position is internally consistent and comes from the text.  If, we let Scripture interpret Scripture and find coherent results, then that is the best option.  To my mind, the Amyraldian (eg, one of the many problems: isn&#8217;t unbelief itself a sin Michael? Mark 9:24, Rom 4:20&#8230; And if so, then hasn&#8217;t Christ died for that sin?? Therefore shouldn&#8217;t all be saved despite their unbelief?) isn&#8217;t internally consistent over against the Calvinist position which is, and the Arminian position simply denies the sovereignty of God over man.</p>
<p>So, even though I reckon Michael&#8217;s a nice guy and a good lecturer at my own college, I&#8217;m siding with Paul Helm on this one! <img src='http://www.earngey.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Sorry Mike, but I think there are too many problems with the Amyraldian system of soteriology!</p>
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